The God of Classical Theism vs Zeus?

Luke over at Common Sense Atheism has a post about whether there is a proof of the existence of the God of Classical Theism (hereinafter GOTC) that would *disprove* the existence of Zeus. He thinks that Zeus wouldn't have a look-in, but my point is that YHWH wouldn't have a look-in either, without the layers of theological reinterpretation that have been applied over the millennia.

Here's what I wrote:

Luke, your problem here is that this "God of classical theism" is actually incompatible with the god of (say) Genesis or Job. Classical theism presents a multiply worked-over god concept that in the Christian tradition has been superimposed on the biblical texts, but when we look at those texts without the "benefit" of millennia of interpretation and metaphorisation, there's no spitting distance between YHWH, Zeus, Amun-Re or even the FSM.

If the Greeks had bothered (and some evidently DID), they would have had no problem at all in identifying the GOCT as Zeus, and vice versa, just as Theistic Christians (as opposed to Atheistic Christians) have done, and just as could be done for Amun-Re (which would be really cool - I'd love to see Karnak re-open as a functional temple to Amun).


I would also argue, of course, that this means that Christianity doesn't actually require a god to exist for it to *work*, and the same may (arguably) be true for many other religions - we should encourage atheistic versions of them too (Ancient Greek, Egyptian, Islam, Hinduism, etc). God is like the gap under an arch - when you're standing atop it, you feel like there is something there, but the support is actually coming from elsewhere. And whichever arch you fancy, go for it.

A lot of Christian people know this already, but don't feel that they want to come "out" with it, for fear of upsetting their friends and family (in much the same way as you don't want to tell the kids about Santa, but let them work it out for themselves).

Any thoughts?

[Luke's blog, btw, is absolutely excellent, and a must-read for would-be philosophers of religion. He deserves to go far, and I predict you will be hearing a lot more of him in the future. Keep up the good work, Luke!]

Behold the mighty Sphinx!


Religion is a funny thing. Over 5000 years ago, long before Yahweh was invented, the people of Egypt developed a sophisticated (and oft-misunderstood) religious system that lasted far longer than Christianity, yet vanished without a trace.
Yes, elements of Egyptian religion became incorporated into the new religion of Christianity (the Trinity is one example; much of the Gnosticism that ended up making its way into *mainstream* Christianity is also traceable to concepts directly related to the old Egyptian religion), but by and large it was forgotten.

At Christmas time, let's celebrate what came before. Let's raise a toast to the Egyptians, and make our snow-sphinxes (weather permitting) with pride.

That old "God-shaped hole"

There is a popular theistic cliché that inside everyone there is a void - a "god-shaped hole".
The problem is: if you start out with a god-shaped hole, you end up with a hole-shaped god.

Christian Atheists grab this bull by the horns. We don't have a god-shaped hole. A god is like a piece of clothing; a style. We're not saying that Christianity is the Right Way - the Way, the Truth or the Life. It is simply the way we have chosen. Other atheists are Muslims, Jews and many others. Some are happy to remain within their religious tradition; others have grown beyond that.

Don't worry about a god-shaped hole. Typically what you really need are fulfilling human relationships and a direction to what you're doing with your life. Pay it forward. Don't be defined by what other people say you lack. Don't live by the hole.

What would Jesus do?

Turns out he would do whatever you think he would do. People create God in their own image - the Will of God turns out to be remarkably close to the Will of whoever thinks they're interpreting it. Which we have known all along of course. Here's more... http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/11/creating_god_in_ones_own_image.php